{"id":4557,"date":"2013-08-16T11:01:33","date_gmt":"2013-08-16T11:01:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/?p=4557"},"modified":"2013-11-15T10:21:00","modified_gmt":"2013-11-15T10:21:00","slug":"look-around-you-atheism-or-christianity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/demolition-squad\/look-around-you-atheism-or-christianity\/","title":{"rendered":"Look Around You (Exploring how Atheism and Christianity account for what really matters)"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_4560\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4560\" style=\"width: 245px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img data-attachment-id=\"4560\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/demolition-squad\/look-around-you-atheism-or-christianity\/attachment\/richard_dawkins\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/richard_dawkins.jpg?fit=350%2C334&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"350,334\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Richard Dawkins\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Is faith really just &#8216;belief without evidence&#8217;?&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/richard_dawkins.jpg?fit=300%2C286&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/richard_dawkins.jpg?fit=350%2C334&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-4560 \" alt=\"Is faith really just 'belief without evidence'?\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/richard_dawkins.jpg?resize=245%2C234\" width=\"245\" height=\"234\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/richard_dawkins.jpg?w=350&amp;ssl=1 350w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/richard_dawkins.jpg?resize=300%2C286&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 245px) 100vw, 245px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4560\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Is faith really just &#8216;belief without evidence&#8217;?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Richard Dawkins famously said that faith is belief without evidence. That\u2019s not how the Oxford English Dictionary would describe faith, but the phrase has stuck and so the idea that there is no evidence for God has memed its way through our culture. We\u2019ve talked before about <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/demolition-squad\/prove-it-to-me\/\">the difference between evidence and proof<\/a>. Evidence is about looking at what\u2019s in front of you, and deciding where it points, no matter how uncomfortable.<\/p>\n<p>Today I want us to think about the things that really matter in life: love, hope, beauty, purpose. No matter who you are or what you believe, these are the things that count. Nobody lies on their deathbed and thinks, I wish I\u2019d understood cosmology better or had a firmer grasp of Schroedinger\u2019s Cat. What matters is this: was I loved? Did I experience beauty? Did I have hope? At the end, did my life contain some purpose \u2013 was it worth something? There are 2 major worldviews in the West \u2013 Atheism and Christianity \u2013 so let\u2019s see how those 2 worldviews make sense of the above.<\/p>\n<p>First up, the atheist. He\u2019s a good guy, loves his friends and family, tries to live a moral life.<\/p>\n<p>Love is one of those things that is as notable by its absence as by its presence. Now the atheist will of course believe in love, even though he has no basis for understanding it. Because Science has nothing to say about love; you can\u2019t prove love scientifically and it isn\u2019t necessary for evolution. The atheist might try and say that it\u2019s just instinct, but &#8216;Survival of the Fittest&#8217; is based on self-preservation, not self-sacrifice. So the Atheist will just have to acknowledge that the thing central to all relationships, the major subject of all artistic endeavour, is just a queer disinterested product of unguided evolution. How romantic!<\/p>\n<p>And the Atheist won\u2019t be able to explain hope, because if we are just molecules bumping chaotically into one another \u2013 if we are simply that \u2013 then there is no hope in the way we would like to understand it. The only hope we can really have is that those molecules will bump into one another in a randomly fortunate way&#8230;until they stop bumping into one another and we die.<\/p>\n<p>The Atheist will be stuck when it comes to explaining beauty, too. Because you can\u2019t prove beauty using Science. Yes, we <i>all<\/i> share that sense of awe when we see a beautiful sunset or the way the waves lap up on a Caribbean beach, but <i>why <\/i>do we experience it in the first place? Where does that totally erroneous sense of awe and wonder come from? We don\u2019t actually need it.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, our Atheist friend, when talking about purpose, will probably say something like, \u2018Well, we make our own purpose.\u2019 But why should we believe that? If the universe came from nothing, by nothing, and will end up as nothing, then where have we got this ridiculous idea of purpose from? Our only real objective purpose as a species is to bounce around for a few centuries until the sun burns us up. Anything else is just an overly-romanticised flight of fancy.<\/p>\n<p>And all this might be true, but let\u2019s allow the Christian to take a run-up&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>He can say, well of course I know why you understand love, because the Bible says, &#8216;We love because He first loved us.&#8217; And when you experience love for your wife, or your kids, or Ryan Gosling, you\u2019re getting a tiny glimpse of how much God loves you.<\/p>\n<p>And the Christian can confidently talk about why we experience beauty, because God created a beautiful world, and that sense of awe we feel at a snowy mountainscape or Rickie Lambert\u2019s header against Scotland, these are traces of the awe and reverence we should have for our Creator.<\/p>\n<p>And hope. Yes, we <i>are<\/i> molecules, the Christian will say, but we are not <i>merely <\/i>molecules. Hope is not a pipedream. That cross on calvary \u2013 there\u2019s your hope! The empty tomb \u2013 he hasn\u2019t gone to get milk. There is hope, not just that when you die you might go to heaven, but that now \u2013 here and now! \u2013 you can experience what Jesus calls \u2018fullness of live\u2019 through Him.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, purpose. Sir John Templeton said, \u2018Would it not be strange if a universe without purpose created human beings so obsessed with it?\u2019 And the Christian can concur, and say that of course there is purpose beyond surviving for as long as you can or trying to make life as comfortable for yourself as possible. In God, through God, because of God, you have a purpose.<\/p>\n<p>Now, the atheist might be right \u2013 all these things might be sheer chance. But what makes most sense? If we\u2019re going to talk about evidence, where does the evidence of our own lives point? In the direction of blind chaotic nothingness, or towards God?<\/p>\n<div class=\"linkwithin_hook\" id=\"https:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/demolition-squad\/look-around-you-atheism-or-christianity\/\"><\/div><script>\n<!-- \/\/LinkWithinCodeStart\nvar linkwithin_site_id = 897245;\nvar linkwithin_div_class = \"linkwithin_hook\";\n\/\/LinkWithinCodeEnd -->\n<\/script>\n<script src=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/widget.js\"><\/script>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.linkwithin.com\/pixel.png?w=750\" alt=\"Related Posts Plugin for WordPress, Blogger...\" style=\"border: 0\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Richard Dawkins famously said that faith is belief without evidence. That\u2019s not how the Oxford English Dictionary would describe faith, but the phrase has stuck and so the idea that there is no evidence for God has memed its way through our culture. We\u2019ve talked before about the difference between evidence and proof. 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