{"id":3248,"date":"2012-11-02T08:30:44","date_gmt":"2012-11-02T08:30:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/?p=3248"},"modified":"2016-05-12T07:52:11","modified_gmt":"2016-05-12T07:52:11","slug":"religion-v-science","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/demolition-squad\/religion-v-science\/","title":{"rendered":"Religion v Science"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ricky Gervais once posted this on Twitter:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/rickygervais\" target=\"_blank\"><img data-attachment-id=\"3249\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/demolition-squad\/religion-v-science\/attachment\/545388_10152290994245425_913610258_n\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/545388_10152290994245425_913610258_n.jpg?fit=480%2C720&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"480,720\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Ricky Gervais\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/545388_10152290994245425_913610258_n.jpg?fit=200%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/545388_10152290994245425_913610258_n.jpg?fit=480%2C720&amp;ssl=1\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3249\" title=\"Ricky Gervais\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/545388_10152290994245425_913610258_n.jpg?resize=233%2C350\" alt=\"\" width=\"233\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/545388_10152290994245425_913610258_n.jpg?w=480&amp;ssl=1 480w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/545388_10152290994245425_913610258_n.jpg?resize=200%2C300&amp;ssl=1 200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 233px) 100vw, 233px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I think Ricky Gervais is a genius, even when I think he&#8217;s wrong &#8211; and I think he&#8217;s wrong here. Feel free to troll <a title=\"Andy Kind\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/andykindcomedy\" target=\"_blank\">me on Twitter<\/a> &#8211; I could do with a few extra followers.<\/p>\n<p>Now, lets forget the fact that science has a proven record of dropping stuff from space &#8211; atom bombs etc. What interests me about this tweet, and other comments like it, is the raising up of two opposing forces &#8211; Science and Religion, pitted against each other like a couple of gnarled fighters in a ring. Who are you gonna bet on in that fight? The guy who goes around telling people to be nice, but then contradicts himself by unflinchingly wiping out people groups; or the guy who deals in cool precision and knows which angle of attack will likely cause the injury of best fit?<\/p>\n<p>In this fantastical scenario &#8211; which I&#8217;m quite enjoying thinking about &#8211; the characteristics displayed by Religion make him seem like one of those showy WWF Superstars from the 90&#8217;s, while Science is like the no-fuss Mr-Miyagi-style sensei. And maybe that&#8217;s not a bad analogy really, because you would never expect to see those two divergent fighting disciplines in a ring together &#8211; and that&#8217;s my point, which I&#8217;ll come back to.<\/p>\n<p>There appear to be two underlying implications in what Ricky Gervais is saying here. One seems to be that science is a force for good, whereas religion is not. The other is that all religion is the same.<\/p>\n<p>A few years ago, Tony Blair and the late, great Christopher Hitchens debated on whether <a title=\"Debate\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA\" target=\"_blank\">Religion is a force for good in the world<\/a>. It was a stupid debate &#8211; of course it isn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t claim to be religious. I claim to be a Christian. When you say that this act of religious hatred &#8211; shooting a girl in the head &#8211; is wrong and backwards, I agree. I&#8217;m not a Muslim. I don&#8217;t have to answer for Muslims or Buddhists or flipping Jedis. I&#8217;m not on the side of Religion. I don&#8217;t agree that all religions basically teach the same thing. They don&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m all about Jesus. You want to disagree with me on something, make it Jesus. He&#8217;s my only discipline.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, my point&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>The Science v Religion debate is a misnomer. It&#8217;s not a real fight. It has spilled over from a genuine debate between creationism and evolution. But evolution doesn&#8217;t represent all science, and creationism certainly isn&#8217;t the ambassador for all religion. The fact is, though, that throwing Religion&#8217;s suited-and-booted pro-wrestler and Science&#8217;s Kung-Fu Master into a ring together causes a spectacle &#8211; and not a healthy one. As with any scrap, you end up feeling like you need to cheer for one side over the other.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at how many of my friends tell me that they&#8217;re atheists because they believe in science. Do people really think that Christians don&#8217;t? Is this article being written on my I-pad, or have I just prayed it onto the website?<\/p>\n<p>I believe in Science. Everyone I know does. Some people I know don&#8217;t believe in Darwinian evolution, but Darwinian evolution isn&#8217;t the head of the scientific household.<\/p>\n<p>Science is amazing. I&#8217;m fascinated and awed by it. But Science only ever deals with process &#8211; how things happen. Religion deals with purpose &#8211; why things happen. When you start talking about why things happen, you&#8217;re no longer talking about physics &#8211; you&#8217;re talking metaphysics.<\/p>\n<p>The problem comes when people who love science decide that science can do everything, even stuff outside the realms of science.<\/p>\n<p>If you believe that science can explain why we&#8217;re here, why we love, why we experience beauty, why we have hope, then you&#8217;re not alone. But you&#8217;re not talking scientifically anymore, because science can do no such thing. And if you think that science will eventually answer these things, then you&#8217;re still not talking scientifically, because that&#8217;s a statement of philosophy, not science.<\/p>\n<p>When people put their hope in science to answer everything, they become like a young lad who thinks that his Dad could beat up everyone else&#8217;s Dad, because, y&#8217;know, it&#8217;s their Dad.<\/p>\n<p>Science is not your real Dad.<\/p>\n<p>So, if you want to know how you got here, ask Science. If you want to know why you&#8217;re here, you&#8217;ll have to look elsewhere. Not to Religion, because as an entity Religion doesn&#8217;t really exist.<\/p>\n<p>And if you want to know how the fight between Mr Miyagi and the pro-wrestler ends&#8230;well it&#8217;s probably on Sky somewhere.<\/p>\n<div class=\"linkwithin_hook\" id=\"https:\/\/www.cvm.org.uk\/blog\/demolition-squad\/religion-v-science\/\"><\/div><script>\n<!-- \/\/LinkWithinCodeStart\nvar linkwithin_site_id = 897245;\nvar linkwithin_div_class = \"linkwithin_hook\";\n\/\/LinkWithinCodeEnd -->\n<\/script>\n<script src=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/widget.js\"><\/script>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.linkwithin.com\/pixel.png?w=750\" alt=\"Related Posts Plugin for WordPress, Blogger...\" style=\"border: 0\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ricky Gervais once posted this on Twitter: I think Ricky Gervais is a genius, even when I think he&#8217;s wrong &#8211; and I think he&#8217;s wrong here. Feel free to troll me on Twitter &#8211; I could do with a few extra followers. 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